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		By: Glenn Baxter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glenn Baxter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2022 17:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Now, instead of two airlines to avoid at all costs, there is only one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, instead of two airlines to avoid at all costs, there is only one.</p>
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		By: Peter F		</title>
		<link>https://askthepilot.com/when-airlines-collide/#comment-394444</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter F]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2022 19:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting recap of post-deregulation airline mergers and acquisitions, but I’ll take issue with “2013. American Airlines purchases US Airways”, which essentially has it backwards. US Airways management (Doug Parker and the America West management team) engineered a combination of US Airways and the then-bankrupt American into a new company, under Parker’s management but retaining the American name. This was the second of two “David-eats-Goliath” mergers in which a bankrupt “Goliath’s” name endured but “David’s” management ran the new company.

We’ll see how things go with Frontier Spirit, but airline mergers often feature executives waxing enthusiastic about exciting synergies and many millions of dollars in savings to be realized by the merger, while  the actual nitty-gritty of combining two airlines becomes a messy affair into which the promised synergies and savings vanish.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting recap of post-deregulation airline mergers and acquisitions, but I’ll take issue with “2013. American Airlines purchases US Airways”, which essentially has it backwards. US Airways management (Doug Parker and the America West management team) engineered a combination of US Airways and the then-bankrupt American into a new company, under Parker’s management but retaining the American name. This was the second of two “David-eats-Goliath” mergers in which a bankrupt “Goliath’s” name endured but “David’s” management ran the new company.</p>
<p>We’ll see how things go with Frontier Spirit, but airline mergers often feature executives waxing enthusiastic about exciting synergies and many millions of dollars in savings to be realized by the merger, while  the actual nitty-gritty of combining two airlines becomes a messy affair into which the promised synergies and savings vanish.</p>
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		By: Peter A		</title>
		<link>https://askthepilot.com/when-airlines-collide/#comment-394353</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter A]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Feb 2022 11:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Its a shame skill level is not considered (in a fair) way when rating pilots. I&#039;m any profession, skill levels vary, but just like doctors, pilots hold a special place in society and should be rewarded for excellence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a shame skill level is not considered (in a fair) way when rating pilots. I&#8217;m any profession, skill levels vary, but just like doctors, pilots hold a special place in society and should be rewarded for excellence.</p>
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		By: 757MAX		</title>
		<link>https://askthepilot.com/when-airlines-collide/#comment-394349</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Feb 2022 07:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Like others have said, I hope Frontier’s name survives. If they’re the surviving airline (which it looks like they’ll be), what would they do with Spirit’s A319’s? They already retired theirs, so would they re-integrate them into the fleet (like Delta and their DC-9’s), or sell them off?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like others have said, I hope Frontier’s name survives. If they’re the surviving airline (which it looks like they’ll be), what would they do with Spirit’s A319’s? They already retired theirs, so would they re-integrate them into the fleet (like Delta and their DC-9’s), or sell them off?</p>
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		By: Don Beyer		</title>
		<link>https://askthepilot.com/when-airlines-collide/#comment-394343</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Beyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Feb 2022 00:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Southern, North Central AND Hughes Air West became Republic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Southern, North Central AND Hughes Air West became Republic.</p>
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		By: SSpiffy		</title>
		<link>https://askthepilot.com/when-airlines-collide/#comment-394339</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SSpiffy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2022 16:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dad was a CSR for Western at LAX when Delta took them over. There was much friction between the previously unionized Western workforce and the staunchly non-union Delta (or as the WAL folks referred to them, the VD (Veteran Delta).) That friction pretty much lasted until the last previously Western folks aged out of the workforce; Dad retired only a couple of years later.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dad was a CSR for Western at LAX when Delta took them over. There was much friction between the previously unionized Western workforce and the staunchly non-union Delta (or as the WAL folks referred to them, the VD (Veteran Delta).) That friction pretty much lasted until the last previously Western folks aged out of the workforce; Dad retired only a couple of years later.</p>
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		By: Andrea G		</title>
		<link>https://askthepilot.com/when-airlines-collide/#comment-394330</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrea G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2022 16:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I bet they stick with the Frontier name. It doesn’t evoke the same thoughts of getting punched in the face while grabbing your bag from the overhead the same way that Spirit does.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet they stick with the Frontier name. It doesn’t evoke the same thoughts of getting punched in the face while grabbing your bag from the overhead the same way that Spirit does.</p>
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		By: Patrick		</title>
		<link>https://askthepilot.com/when-airlines-collide/#comment-394329</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2022 15:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://askthepilot.com/when-airlines-collide/#comment-394323&quot;&gt;Simon&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t think I agree with this. Between any two major cities in the United States, you can basically have your pick of American, United, Delta, JetBlue, Southwest, and now the new Sprontier. That&#039;s six airlines. You can add Alaska, too, in many markets. Yes, particular carriers dominate particular cities, both at hubs and at smaller cities served by their regional partners. But it&#039;s ALWAYS been this way, and it&#039;s rare that a location not offer a choice of at least two or three carriers. I understand your point with respect to more competition resulting in better service and efficiency, but fares are CHEAPER, on average, than they were in the days when we had ten or twelve airlines duking it out, versus the number we have now. Exactly how much competition is enough, by your measure?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://askthepilot.com/when-airlines-collide/#comment-394323">Simon</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I agree with this. Between any two major cities in the United States, you can basically have your pick of American, United, Delta, JetBlue, Southwest, and now the new Sprontier. That&#8217;s six airlines. You can add Alaska, too, in many markets. Yes, particular carriers dominate particular cities, both at hubs and at smaller cities served by their regional partners. But it&#8217;s ALWAYS been this way, and it&#8217;s rare that a location not offer a choice of at least two or three carriers. I understand your point with respect to more competition resulting in better service and efficiency, but fares are CHEAPER, on average, than they were in the days when we had ten or twelve airlines duking it out, versus the number we have now. Exactly how much competition is enough, by your measure?</p>
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		By: wilson		</title>
		<link>https://askthepilot.com/when-airlines-collide/#comment-394326</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2022 00:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What might the new logo look like? Gotta have a logo! Maybe a conspiratorial Q like The Pilot&#039;s latest?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What might the new logo look like? Gotta have a logo! Maybe a conspiratorial Q like The Pilot&#8217;s latest?</p>
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		By: Simon		</title>
		<link>https://askthepilot.com/when-airlines-collide/#comment-394323</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2022 17:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I disagree about Spirit&#039;s yellow livery. Sure, it aint pretty. But it is a) immediately recognizable, b) not EuroWhite, c) unmistakable, and d) did I mention it&#039;s immediately recognizable?

I also disagree with the merger making sense. It makes NO sense for customers/consumers. What they need is fierce competition. They should benefit from innovation and efficiency that arises when carriers have to fight each other tooth and nail in the market with their product. I don&#039;t care if my carrier is big. I do care that they are efficient and offer good value. The best insurance for that is to have many of them and let them duke it out every single day.

The pilot is also wrong about the US having &quot;plenty of robust competition&quot;. That&#039;s of course nonsense and sounds more like airline exec than employee or customer. We DON&#039;T have enough competition. Which is why these days we have just a single trans-con carrier that isn&#039;t engaged in this preposterous race to the bottom (B6). It&#039;s also why almost all carriers charge essentially the same bag fees. Or offer the same lousy service. If we had robust competition in this vast country of frequent fliers, there would be multiple Spirits and multiple JetBlues and lots going on in between. But there isn&#039;t. I hope regulators finally grow a pair and block this merger. Just like they should have before we were left with just three cell carriers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree about Spirit&#8217;s yellow livery. Sure, it aint pretty. But it is a) immediately recognizable, b) not EuroWhite, c) unmistakable, and d) did I mention it&#8217;s immediately recognizable?</p>
<p>I also disagree with the merger making sense. It makes NO sense for customers/consumers. What they need is fierce competition. They should benefit from innovation and efficiency that arises when carriers have to fight each other tooth and nail in the market with their product. I don&#8217;t care if my carrier is big. I do care that they are efficient and offer good value. The best insurance for that is to have many of them and let them duke it out every single day.</p>
<p>The pilot is also wrong about the US having &#8220;plenty of robust competition&#8221;. That&#8217;s of course nonsense and sounds more like airline exec than employee or customer. We DON&#8217;T have enough competition. Which is why these days we have just a single trans-con carrier that isn&#8217;t engaged in this preposterous race to the bottom (B6). It&#8217;s also why almost all carriers charge essentially the same bag fees. Or offer the same lousy service. If we had robust competition in this vast country of frequent fliers, there would be multiple Spirits and multiple JetBlues and lots going on in between. But there isn&#8217;t. I hope regulators finally grow a pair and block this merger. Just like they should have before we were left with just three cell carriers.</p>
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