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		By: Rory		</title>
		<link>https://askthepilot.com/lga-collision/#comment-414764</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2026 17:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Roger Wolff

I think the understaffing concern is less about &quot;there should have been more people there at that specific time&quot; and more about &quot;understaffing leads to overwork, which leads to tiredness, which can lead to carelessness&quot;.

Obviously all we have to go on is the ATC recording, but _could_ the ATC controller have  more &#039;actively&#039; warned the ARFF vehicle not to cross the runway? I think the answer is Yes.

But this is all 20/20 hindsight - I don&#039;t want to pile on the ATC controller or the vehicle occupants. It was a tragic horrific thing, but it wasn&#039;t an &#039;accident&#039; - there was a causal chain, and I think understaffing MAY well have been a link in that chain.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Roger Wolff</p>
<p>I think the understaffing concern is less about &#8220;there should have been more people there at that specific time&#8221; and more about &#8220;understaffing leads to overwork, which leads to tiredness, which can lead to carelessness&#8221;.</p>
<p>Obviously all we have to go on is the ATC recording, but _could_ the ATC controller have  more &#8216;actively&#8217; warned the ARFF vehicle not to cross the runway? I think the answer is Yes.</p>
<p>But this is all 20/20 hindsight &#8211; I don&#8217;t want to pile on the ATC controller or the vehicle occupants. It was a tragic horrific thing, but it wasn&#8217;t an &#8216;accident&#8217; &#8211; there was a causal chain, and I think understaffing MAY well have been a link in that chain.</p>
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		By: Brian Anderson		</title>
		<link>https://askthepilot.com/lga-collision/#comment-414724</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2026 23:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The ATC is short ~3800 people and suffers from chronic understaffing.  This was almost certainly a contributing factor in this accident.  Of course, one might ask why they can&#039;t just hire more:
https://nypost.com/2025/02/10/us-news/air-traffic-controller-shortage-of-3800-due-to-dei-practices/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ATC is short ~3800 people and suffers from chronic understaffing.  This was almost certainly a contributing factor in this accident.  Of course, one might ask why they can&#8217;t just hire more:<br />
<a href="https://nypost.com/2025/02/10/us-news/air-traffic-controller-shortage-of-3800-due-to-dei-practices/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://nypost.com/2025/02/10/us-news/air-traffic-controller-shortage-of-3800-due-to-dei-practices/</a></p>
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		By: PMincey		</title>
		<link>https://askthepilot.com/lga-collision/#comment-414721</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2026 22:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So tragic. I think most of us have exp at LGA, it is a small piece of real estate and any aircraft awaiting Tkoff clearance were abeam rnwy 4 on “B” the right taxi way  - so no room to “steer right”. In a NYT recreation presented by the NTSB the truck was cleared to cross as CRJ automated call outs “100” “50” approximately.
Even with a curved taxiway “D” every single vehicle should know to look “clear left” “clear right” There is no excuse. This is the world of high speed aircraft not the vehicle environment - that CRJ had 2 bright lights @wing and the nose taxi light on.

Hindsight- if only that Capt had looked just a little further down the runway @“100” and seen those rotating lights he would have a chance. In another life we always practiced “Go Around” at50-100ft and don’t you know it was “a truck on the runway”. The CRJ has a GE engine with “approach Idle” with full flaps &#038; gear extended. That means the FADEC has full power immediately available regardless of full flap and gear down. The jet would continue its immediate downward trajectory but it would have been a bounce and go.round in 2?seconds. The size of the aircraft doesn’t matter.

Going forward I think every pilot that spies an emergency vehicle waiting to cross gets a pass for canceling a landing with a “Go around”. 
 
I don’t know if another Twr controller was needed departing 13 and landing 4. unless one for landing and another for tkoff - or simply more breaks on shift.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So tragic. I think most of us have exp at LGA, it is a small piece of real estate and any aircraft awaiting Tkoff clearance were abeam rnwy 4 on “B” the right taxi way  &#8211; so no room to “steer right”. In a NYT recreation presented by the NTSB the truck was cleared to cross as CRJ automated call outs “100” “50” approximately.<br />
Even with a curved taxiway “D” every single vehicle should know to look “clear left” “clear right” There is no excuse. This is the world of high speed aircraft not the vehicle environment &#8211; that CRJ had 2 bright lights @wing and the nose taxi light on.</p>
<p>Hindsight- if only that Capt had looked just a little further down the runway @“100” and seen those rotating lights he would have a chance. In another life we always practiced “Go Around” at50-100ft and don’t you know it was “a truck on the runway”. The CRJ has a GE engine with “approach Idle” with full flaps &amp; gear extended. That means the FADEC has full power immediately available regardless of full flap and gear down. The jet would continue its immediate downward trajectory but it would have been a bounce and go.round in 2?seconds. The size of the aircraft doesn’t matter.</p>
<p>Going forward I think every pilot that spies an emergency vehicle waiting to cross gets a pass for canceling a landing with a “Go around”. </p>
<p>I don’t know if another Twr controller was needed departing 13 and landing 4. unless one for landing and another for tkoff &#8211; or simply more breaks on shift.</p>
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		By: Roger Wolff		</title>
		<link>https://askthepilot.com/lga-collision/#comment-414718</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2026 19:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think that &quot;understaffing&quot; has anything to do with this. There is one controller doing the runways, and at best there is a supervisor who is looking along with everybody (i.e. at least ground and tower). That person has a very boring job if there would be nothing else to do. They probably take the phonecalls (&quot;Possible pilot deviation, I have a phone number for you to call&quot;). 

The ONE controller is doing an important job. Just like the one pilot flying the plane during landing: It&#039;s a life-or-death job. Pilot is a good example. command max roll when at say about 10m and the other pilot is helpless before &quot;everybody dies&quot; is inevitable. Less extreme examples are possible. 

In general people are pretty reasonable at such jobs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that &#8220;understaffing&#8221; has anything to do with this. There is one controller doing the runways, and at best there is a supervisor who is looking along with everybody (i.e. at least ground and tower). That person has a very boring job if there would be nothing else to do. They probably take the phonecalls (&#8220;Possible pilot deviation, I have a phone number for you to call&#8221;). </p>
<p>The ONE controller is doing an important job. Just like the one pilot flying the plane during landing: It&#8217;s a life-or-death job. Pilot is a good example. command max roll when at say about 10m and the other pilot is helpless before &#8220;everybody dies&#8221; is inevitable. Less extreme examples are possible. </p>
<p>In general people are pretty reasonable at such jobs.</p>
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		By: Andrew D. Schmidt		</title>
		<link>https://askthepilot.com/lga-collision/#comment-414717</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2026 17:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Patrick, I&#039;m somewhat surprised not to read anything in either your article or others comments relating to Runway Status Lights. If I missed them, I apologize. I believe I heard from the NTSB briefings that both the Runway Entrance Lights (RELs) and Takeoff Hold Lights (THLs) were active at the time of the accident. It is my understanding that ground vehicles must honor those status lights that they should have seen above any verbal ATC clearances to cross an active runway.
Comment?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, I&#8217;m somewhat surprised not to read anything in either your article or others comments relating to Runway Status Lights. If I missed them, I apologize. I believe I heard from the NTSB briefings that both the Runway Entrance Lights (RELs) and Takeoff Hold Lights (THLs) were active at the time of the accident. It is my understanding that ground vehicles must honor those status lights that they should have seen above any verbal ATC clearances to cross an active runway.<br />
Comment?</p>
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		By: Joe Payne		</title>
		<link>https://askthepilot.com/lga-collision/#comment-414715</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2026 17:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I also feel like these kinds of errors are often unrealistic workload, staffing issues leading to fatigue and an unfortunate sense of urgency that leads to tragedy. Sad all around for everyone involved.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also feel like these kinds of errors are often unrealistic workload, staffing issues leading to fatigue and an unfortunate sense of urgency that leads to tragedy. Sad all around for everyone involved.</p>
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		By: Kevin Egan		</title>
		<link>https://askthepilot.com/lga-collision/#comment-414705</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2026 16:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Without adding comment, I thought you might get a chance a look at the NYT visual recreation of the incident from the pilot&#039;s and firefighter&#039;s vantage. It may clear up the who saw what and when. They also did this type of simulation after the Potomac accident. Worth a look.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without adding comment, I thought you might get a chance a look at the NYT visual recreation of the incident from the pilot&#8217;s and firefighter&#8217;s vantage. It may clear up the who saw what and when. They also did this type of simulation after the Potomac accident. Worth a look.</p>
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		By: BMurphy		</title>
		<link>https://askthepilot.com/lga-collision/#comment-414660</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2026 15:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding the notion of the ARFF (Airport Rescue Fire Fighting) vehicle ‘shotgun’ driver acting as an additional lookout: the majority of US commercial airport ARFF vehicle are staffed by ONE driver/operator.  While the largest/busiest US airports usually have two per ARFF-specific vehicle, the vast majority have one.  

Not only does this impact vehicle operator situational awareness, it impacts greatly the ability to initiate critical initial fire suppression and rescue duties.  Most airports must wait for off-site resources to arrive to reach the staffing levels needed to perform adequate fire/rescue/medical operations.  

This is an issue that’s mostly ‘under the radar’ but one that the flying public and aviation professionals need a greater understanding of.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the notion of the ARFF (Airport Rescue Fire Fighting) vehicle ‘shotgun’ driver acting as an additional lookout: the majority of US commercial airport ARFF vehicle are staffed by ONE driver/operator.  While the largest/busiest US airports usually have two per ARFF-specific vehicle, the vast majority have one.  </p>
<p>Not only does this impact vehicle operator situational awareness, it impacts greatly the ability to initiate critical initial fire suppression and rescue duties.  Most airports must wait for off-site resources to arrive to reach the staffing levels needed to perform adequate fire/rescue/medical operations.  </p>
<p>This is an issue that’s mostly ‘under the radar’ but one that the flying public and aviation professionals need a greater understanding of.</p>
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		By: Rory		</title>
		<link>https://askthepilot.com/lga-collision/#comment-414334</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rory]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2026 17:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There has been a lot of discussion about a lack of vehicle transponders, and no doubt they are important, but it&#039;s also true that thousands of transponder-less vehicles have crossed thousands of runways and thousands of airports thus far without incident - this isn&#039;t the first plane-vehicle collision, but those are vanishingly rare, especially at major airports.

As an armchair pilot, it seems to me that PROXIMATE &#039;blame&#039; (which sounds awful to say about anyone involved in a fatal collision), goes 75% to the vehicle driver and 25% the ATC controller on duty. The ATC controller should have done a better job, and the vehicle driver should have been much more aware of what was going on around them, and, if in ANY doubt, not to cross an active runway.

Obviously then we work back to look at the lack of training for vehicle drivers and the overworkedness of ATC controllers, which then goes back to the underhiring of ATC, which goes back to financial constraints etc., which can be traced to a lack of mandatory federal budget for ATC...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been a lot of discussion about a lack of vehicle transponders, and no doubt they are important, but it&#8217;s also true that thousands of transponder-less vehicles have crossed thousands of runways and thousands of airports thus far without incident &#8211; this isn&#8217;t the first plane-vehicle collision, but those are vanishingly rare, especially at major airports.</p>
<p>As an armchair pilot, it seems to me that PROXIMATE &#8216;blame&#8217; (which sounds awful to say about anyone involved in a fatal collision), goes 75% to the vehicle driver and 25% the ATC controller on duty. The ATC controller should have done a better job, and the vehicle driver should have been much more aware of what was going on around them, and, if in ANY doubt, not to cross an active runway.</p>
<p>Obviously then we work back to look at the lack of training for vehicle drivers and the overworkedness of ATC controllers, which then goes back to the underhiring of ATC, which goes back to financial constraints etc., which can be traced to a lack of mandatory federal budget for ATC&#8230;</p>
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		By: BigDumbDinosaur		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2026 17:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“That said, whomever was riding shotgun on the fire engine had been paying attention to activity on the runway...”

That should have read “That said, whomever was riding shotgun on the fire engine should have been paying attention to activity on the runway...”  It apparently isn’t possible to edit a post to correct an error.  :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“That said, whomever was riding shotgun on the fire engine had been paying attention to activity on the runway&#8230;”</p>
<p>That should have read “That said, whomever was riding shotgun on the fire engine should have been paying attention to activity on the runway&#8230;”  It apparently isn’t possible to edit a post to correct an error.  🙂</p>
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